Dirtfarmer # 15009051 06/29/20. Hodgdon CFE Pistol burns relatively quickly, falling between Hodgdon Universal and Alliant 2400 in burn rate. Accuracy and velocity are both excellent. In fact, Jake has compiled more wins than any other Shooter in the United States at national level Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League events during that span. First, the primer must be removed. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. I've got lots of powder to try, varget, IMR 4895, 3031, 4320. Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. Hodgdon Trail Boss. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. In addition, if you inadvertently let a Berdan-primed case slip into the batch youre resizing, it will probably break the decapping stem in your die. . I looked at the burn rate chart and decided that Leverevolution might work since it was slightly slower burning than CFE 223 and used in the 338 Federal case with . Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? This load is near the top of Hornadys recommended loads. And I must mention Federals 165-grain Trophy Bonded Tip bullet. offers plenty of satisfaction and few problemsas long as the handloader sticks to the basics and the usual safety protocols for bottleneck cartridges. Along with 308. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. For the purposes of this article, Hornady Match and NoslerCustom cases were chosen that had a capacity of 55.9 and 56.0 grains, respectively. has a slightly higher maximum average pressure (MAP) of 62,000 psi; the MAP of the .30-06 is 60,000 psi. 0. What LaserBait said. After graduating college, Ryan moved to Tulsa, OK to take a position as a plastics engineer and in 2011 began shooting 3-Gun competitively. These are two fine game bullets. The favorites were the Nosler 165-grain Partition over 46.8 grains of CFE 223 (2,701 fps and 0.92 inch), the Speer 165-grain Grand Slam with 45.0 grains of Reloder 15 (2,612 fps and 0.88 inch), and the Nosler 150-grain AccuBond over 46.3 grains of VihtaVuori N540 (2,783 fps and 0.78 inch). Nosler 8th mightDon't know, haven't looked. Re: 125 gr .308 load. case has been necked up and down to produce many successful factory cartridges, to say nothing of wildcat cartridges of all shapes and forms. A spherical powder, BL-C (2) began as a military powder used in the 7.62 NATO and naturally has applications for 308 Winchester. A precision rifle enthusiast and owner of GA Precision, George likely needs little introduction. It is best to obtain one lot number of cases to help eliminate that variable. The .308 Winchester is about as All-American as you can get in the cartridge world. case turned out to be slightly more efficient than the .30-06 and was found to be capable of excellent accuracy with a wide range of bullet weights and types. We compared several powders under the Wi-Fi 400x microscope. This includes the majority of mainstream handgun rounds including the 9mm, 38 Special, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. rc rcmodel, Feb 15, 2012 #2 liberalwithagun Member Joined: Ultimate Reloader, LLC and Making With Metal can not be held liable for property or personal damage due to viewers/readers of this website performing activities, procedures, techniques, or practices described in whole or part on this website. (Steve Gash photo). After taking up competitive shooting in 2016, she, won the Precision Rifle Series Production division in 2017 with her Savage Stealth. Careful with the Hodgdon data for CFE223 and the 308 Winchester. I loaded exactly to Hodgdon load data max with 150 SSTs for a old 80s vintage Savage 110 and a new Sako and both guns shot sub MOA. Regina Milkovich has been the leading female in precision rifle shooting since she first picked up a rifle in 2009. Use load data at your own risk. Here are a couple of specific loads from each test rifle as examples of the versatility and accuracy of the great .308 Winchester. Beck Defense is offering this bullet in a .308 load. In fact, the latest Die Popularity List from RCBS lists .308 Win. It should be noted that Beck Defense does not recommend the use of this ammo in a Savage rifle due to wide velocity spreads. From their home in Montana, Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha follows Chad, Marsha and their two boys-Walker and Wyatt-across the world in hunting adventures. Zach started attending national shoots in 2018, including Junior Worlds, Junior Olympics Nationals, and USAYESS Nationals. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. When we are sold out, we are sold out. Of course, you have a scale (manual or electronic) and probably a powder measure. First, one must define the role of the intended reload. I noticed that the load seemed to burn cleanly and left little residue on the gun. I used it in my sako 7-08 with a 20.5"bbl and with the 120ttsx and using the hodgdon max load I get 3190 fps. In the last several years I have really focussed on the PRS, ELR, and NRL Hunter. Loads fired with 168- to 200-grain bullets were done in conjunction with NoslerCustom cases. You can find Hodgdons CFE Pistol powder at, . Do not attempt to repair or modify any firearms based on information on this website. She recently took on the role of Southwest Regional Director for the Precision Rifle Series. This makes sense, as the .308s 1:12-inch twist is just perfect for such bullet weights. PMC cases held the least, at 53.1 grains, while Winchester held the most at 56.1 grains. CFE Pistol contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. An entire book could be written on powders suitable for the .308 Win. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. 1 0 obj My 27" & 1:10" tube runs 2.8" magazine feeding pre-green tip 155 SMK @ 3000+ and 175 SMKs @ 2,800+ out of Lapua brass (LR not Palma). Most are hand-powered, but motorized versions are handy for large numbers of cases. Die selection may be influenced by which rifle or ammunition will be used. There was no load data for this listed anywhere, so I emailed Hodgdon who sent me a load for the Speer 130 grain HP and was told to work up from there. I fired five-shot groups with three different factory loads and two proven handloads through both the 16" and the 24" barreled .308 rifles. I was just flipping around looking at different loads, if only I could find data on this powder in the 300 blk. Poll: What Reloading Components Cant You Find? The .308 Win.s popularity is well deserved; it is a potent and versatile round. Subscriber Services. Load Data. The Speer 165-grain Grand Slam and 48.3 grains of VihtaVuori N550 produced 2,415 fps and a 0.94-inch group average. and 8 lb. You can find Ryan on Shooting Gallery on The Outdoor Channel, and Realtree.com. !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],p=/^http:/.test(d.location)? Handloading the 308. Its accuracy and performance on game has been exemplary. A quick look at the data shows them to be quite different powders.~Muir Switching to Hodgdon Varget (an extruded powder) and using a charge weight of 46.0 grains, several primers were tried, including the CCI BR-2, Remington 9, Winchester Large Rifle and the previously mentioned Federal Gold Medal 210M and 215M. Another excellent sizing method when loading for bolt guns is to use a neck-size-only die or use the full-length sizer backed off a bit to size just the neck. The .308 Winchester is not only a historic battlefield caliber, it is an established match caliber and one of the best all-around North American hunting calibers. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. Virtually every maker of centerfire rifles chambers models for the .308 Win. This load fit the bill and delivered excellent accuracy! (Ret.) Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. I was amazed at how many calibers CFE Pistol has a track record of great performance with. Barnes TTSX; 110-gr. Is it meant for hunting varmints, deer, or larger game? Many companies make these, and they save time and fingers. 100 grain Plinker (Cup Jacket with lead nose) 110 grain JSP or JHP (Sierra Jacketed Spire Point) Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. 100% of all my handloads are done withHodgdonbrands. The maximum loads are just that. In 1952, two years before the announcement of the Armys cartridge, Winchester adroitly introduced it as the new .308 Winchester. It is a clean burning gunpowder with a mild muzzle report, that does well with low charge weights, and gives uniform ballistics. Being a spherical powder, metering is superbly accurate. A few of its features include a one-piece main tube, multicoated lenses, argon purged tubes, it is waterproof, fogproof and features a precision Micro-trac adjustment system, .25-MOA finger-click adjustments, a fast-focus eyepiece and matte finish. JavaScript is disabled. Dianna has been highlighted by the NRA in American Warrior, the Washington Post and NRA Women. Dealer Locator. has its roots in the U.S. military. The only difference was they used Winchester cases and I used Lake City. However, many reloaders dote on match-grade primers, such as the Federal GM210M and the CCI BR-2 primers. Using the turret press was faster than using a single stage press. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. Last Update: June 19, 2022. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. Dianna currently competes in the role of Captain for Team Benelli. Available in 1 lb. They are impressed by the light recoil and how cheap it is compared to buying new AA shells for practice or matches. Follow @UReloader He retired from the North Kansas City Police Department after tours through Patrol Division and the K-9 Narcotics Unit, with additional duties as the Department Armorer, SRT Unit Sniper, and Range Officer/Instructor. I'd start at 10% down from the max, and work up. I'm shooting a Howa 1500, 20 inch barrel, 1:10. The biggest bonus I have from this is the amount of load data out there that is available. He has over 35 years experience in shooting, with approximately 50 tons of projectiles downrange with the assistance of Hodgdon Powder. (I like Hornadys Lock-N-Load Headspace Comparator.) Additional tests showed there were practically no ballistic or pressure changes when a given load was fired in each of these two cases. Hornady cases were used for developing all load data with bullets ranging in weight from 100 to 165 grains. With the Nosler 150-grain AccuBond, 47.5 grains of CFE 223 clocked 2,713 fps and averaged 0.83 inch. There is one more important piece of reloading equipment: a small flashlight. Don't miss out on Ultimate Reloader updates, make sure you're subscribed! Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Residing in Cheney Washington, Jake Vibbert owns JC Steel targets Inc. and is a strong competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and the National Rifle League. In her free time, she shoots in NRL22 club matches around the Kansas City area, where she lives with her husband Shane and where she works as a pharmacist. Just about all reloading presses come with an add-on provision for case priming, but almost no one uses them. Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelors degree in Business Finance at Albertsons College of Idaho. CFE 223 contains Hodgdon's Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient . Ryan earned a Bachelors of Science in Chemistry and Plastics Engineering as well as a Masters of Science in Engineering Technologies. Buy Hodgdon PST1 Spherical CFE Smokeless Pistol Powder 1 lb: GunBroker is the largest seller of Reloading Powder Reloading Supplies Ammunition Reloading All: 984233362. . The maximum case length for the .308 Win. A broad selection of bullets, powders and precision cases allow handloaders to assemble ammunition that is better in every respect than at any time in its 66-year history. While I had many rifles at my disposal, with barrel lengths ranging from 16.5 to 30 inches, this data was obtained using a Ruger M77 Hawkeye stainless. A variety of .308 Winchester factory loads were checked for velocity. If a case is longer than the chamber (yes, it happens, and there are gauges to measure actual chamber length), the case can be pinched between the bullet and the barrel when the round is fired. Theyre easier, faster, and safer, as they keep greasy fingertips off the primers. A load that exhibits completely normal pressures, or pressures that are within industry guidelines, can jump quickly above recommended levels with the addition of just one or 2 grains of powder (or by switching case brands or even lot numbers). Concerning limitations, CFE Pistol is neither an exceptionally fast or slow burning pistol powder, so in some cartridges its not as well suited for very light loads or magnum loads calling for heavy charges of slow burning powders. Hodgdon H 335. I am pleased with the results from my 5 Smith and Wesson Model 629. We show you how. Growing up, Brian spent very little time indoors, with his passions being split between baseball and spending time in either the river, the desert, or the mountains. One or more will surely turn out to be winners. I tried the CFE 223 powder at the loads specified in the Hodgdon Annual Manual and found that it was a very dirty powder, in that it appeared to be fouling up the chamber throat. With this thought in mind, loads that are just below maximum, like most factory loads, should be considered as a stopping point for these rifles. CFE Pistol provides optimum performance in cartridges like the 9mm Luger, 38 Super, 40 S&W, the 45 ACP and many more. It is not so much an issue of strength or safety but rather function. All rifles grouped right around an inch, and the overall group average was a tidy 1.11 inches. This spherical propellant was designed expressly to provide top velocities in fast cartridges. Velocities are only a bit slower than the .30-06, due to the rounds slightly smaller case capacity and the rifling twist. While there was no huge velocity difference produced by each primer (24 fps at most), all the standard large rifle primers generated less than 60,000 psi pressure, while the Federal 215M Large Rifle Magnum primer increased pressure to more than 63,000 psi, which again exceeds industry standards. 2 0 obj This allows shooters to clean their barrels less often. I've shot a few rounds through my 308 with CFE 223 powder. Reloading the .308 Winchester | Hodgdon Reloading When Wyatts not hunting or fishing he loves competing in rodeos and roping off of his horse, General. Hodgdon CFE Rifle Smokeless Reloading Powder yields top-notch velocities and has superior metering that's formulated for superb accuracy with every shot. Ryan has volunteered for HAVA and Freedom Hunters events getting wounded vets into competition and/or hunting. Hornady GMX. Jake travels the country shooting, directing precision rifle matches, and teaching precision rifle classes. 2.210 in. The S.A.A.M.I. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. Then select your bullet weight, powder manufacturer and powder type. ammo. That area is a different subspecies that inhabits the desert transition area in Webb, Maverick, and La Salle County. They were my brother and stepfather's guns and are completely factory guns. Case trimming is an important step if the bullet chosen has a cannelure and the reloader wants to crimp the case into it. CFE Pistol was introduced in 2014. Also, it was proven decades ago that slight variations in powder charges have very little effect on velocities. 75 grain IN A 223 You can use this and move up slightly as there is no comercial data on the CFE that I have seen published for the 6X45. All manuals list a starting load, and it is indeed a good place to start. Instead, a hand-priming tool is the hands-down favorite. The .30-06 case was merely shortened by 0.479 inch, and the shoulder angle was changed from 17.5 degrees to 20 degrees. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Dianna Muller earned a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice/Psychology from University of Central Missouri and retired from the Tulsa Police Department after 22 years of service. Currently Jake has over 65 top three podium finishes in the last four years, another record! ABOUT WYATT: Wyatt is 14 years old and has also hunted Africa, Hawaii and other states as well. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. Hodgdon CFE BLK is a fast-burning spherical powder and is relatively new to the market. Hodgdon CFE 223 Hodgdon (45 reviews) . Lyman, RCBS, Hornady, and many others make neat priming tools. Hunters can literally choose the type of performance they want. Anyhow, just wondering if anyone had any experience with this powder and .308. As expected, the spherical CFE Pistol flowed easily through Lymans Brass Smith powder measure, delivering consistent charges. We try to provide our customers with the best variety of smokeless powders from Hodgdon, including Varget, Titegroup, CFE223, CFE Pistol, and Pyrodex. When it was first introduced to the handloader, benchrest shooters and other target shooters made it an instant success. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Hodgdon CFE Pistol is a spherical powder that was originally developed for US military application. Looking in hornady's handbook, with a 150-155 bullet, they start cfe223 at 42.4 for 2300fps and work to a max of 49.6 at 2800. The best solution for cases with Berdan primers is to toss them in the scrap brass bin for recycling. I used Hornady XTP hollow point jacketed bullets in both loads. You are using an out of date browser. Shes also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. dies as the fourth most sold, topped only by the 6.5 Creedmoor, .223 Remington, and 9mm Luger. Although it is advertised for the 9mm Luger, 38 Super, 40 S&W, and the 45 ACP, I was pleased to find extensive load data for other cartridges such as 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 44 magnum, 45 Colt and more. The .308 Winchester has always been known for outstanding accuracy. Thanks, Guy Miner. containers. 9mm 147 gr Subsonic Magic Load, Hard to Believe! Hodgdon CFE 223 is another popular choice, and it's designed to reduce copper fouling, which is great for the health of your barrel. All loads were assembled using RCBS carbide dies mounted on a Lyman Brass Smith All American 8 turret press. As for powder suggestions, the potential bullet and powder combinations are almost endless, and the ones shown in the accompanying chart are just a few suggestions. % By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. Basic Rifle Reloading 5: Bullet Seating & Crimping, Basic Rifle Reloading Part 4: Powder Charging, NEW DAA Infra-Red Low Powder Sensor (Hands-On), Rifle Reloading Basics Pt1: Safety and Brass Tumbling, NEW Dies from Area 419: M-Series Sizer (In-Depth), Perfect Primer Seating with Frankford Arsenal, RCBS Lightweight Partner Press Unboxing and Overview, TESTED: Double Alpha Academy Turbo Case Feeder, Unsolved: 44 Magnum Over-Pressure Mystery, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part II: Setup and Maintenance, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part I: Theory of Operation, Reloading Safety: Powder Check Systems Overview. All gunsmithing procedures should be carried out by a qualified and licensed gunsmith at their own risk. This is very small for an extruded powder. Powders include Hodgdon It still delivers good accuracy, averaging 1.12 inches for the 10 loads tested for this report. Precision is making and looks forward to the future of creating the best professional custom rifles on the market. Poll: Where are you finding reloading primers and powder? into something it isnt with handloads. I am not getting the accuracy with 168 TSX in the 1/12 twist..I am thinking of going back to my 165gr SBT. As of April 2022, Midsouth Shooters supply shows the. The Hodgdon data for these bullets is 44.0 to 49.0 grains. The base and rim diameters are the same, and of course, its still a .30-caliber, which has been Americas favorite bullet diameter for generations. Sponsored by many of the hunting industries leading manufacturers, he has conducted over a thousand hunting and fishing seminars across the United States and has hunted and fished extensively around the world. It also produces excellent velocities when used the 7.62x39mm. Go to hodgdon.com and click on the Reloading Data Center link to see the new RDC. I consider a 230 grain bullet at nearly 900 fps to be a pretty stout 45 ACP load and would not hesitate to rely on this load for self defense. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. An exception may be a bullet like Hornadys 220-grain RN, which might stabilize due to its shorter length. Just In the 2019 season, he will compete in twelve two-day national matches and 15 regional matches across the country, totaling 4,170 precision hand-loaded match rounds burning roughly 131,355 grains (18.75 pounds) of Varget in matches alone. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. that load data is for a 152gr is smoking and a great SD. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. Hodgdon Tite Group. Hornady's factory loaded 168 grain A-Max produced 2711 . Hodgdon, the Brand that's True Shop Hodgdon products at Brownells : https://tinyurl.com/csaogkl To find out. One last caveat on priming. I really enjoy the community as well as the sport. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon and this year is scheduled to be as busy as any while shooting 4 different series. I use 49gr of CFE 223 with 150gr Game Kings in my .308, it shoots .25" with an COAL 2.805. Shellholders: Hornady #1. charge and normally is reduced 10%. Anyone used a CFE 223 in a 308 Win with 150gr to 165gr? For example, standard full-length sizing dies are favored for general use in bolt-action rifles, especially if ammunition is to be used in multiple rifles. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. Thus, this turns into a treasure hunt for the perfect bullet and powder combination for the job. Some of this is certainly due to the cartridges design and comparatively short powder column; however, it is also due to the extensive selection of outstanding powders engineered specifically to give optimal performance in the .308. This is mild load though, only going 2750fps at a QL predicted 51k psi. Hodgdon CFE Pistol is best suited for cartridges producing the middle range of power (non-magnum pistol loads in most calibers including 500 S&W). Hornady V-Max; 110-gr. While these loads worked flawlessly in the Ruger Hawkeye, they may give some leverguns, such as the Savage Model 99, Winchester Model 88, some Browning BLR variants and pump-action Remington Models 760 and 7600 some difficulties. (Steve Gash photo) The .308 Win. He was trained as an armorer in the US Army, where he spent six years as a Military Police Investigator. Case preparation is totally uncomplicated. Swift offers the Scirocco II and A-Frame with two distinctly different types of performance, while Sierra and Speer offer more traditional cup-and-core lead tipped bullets that are suitable for the distances that the majority of big game is shot. Hodgdon Varget. As with any cartridge, it never pays to try to turn the .308 Win. Berger does not list it in the 1st EditionI'm hoping they'll have it and 7977 listed when they release the 2nd Edition manual (whenever that will be). Loaded some 308 and in both a bolt gun and AR 10 was excellent, very consistent velocity, less than 20fps extreme spread. An avid shooter and outdoorsman, George takes pride in the quality custom rifles that G.A. Again, approach maximum loads with caution. Each week the Schearer family will hunt with a variety of weapons from archery, muzzleloader and shotgun to centerfire rifles and will not only focus on the hunt, but will be filled with educational tips to make the viewers better sportsmen and sportswomen. In my time I have worked on improving myself to take it as high as I can. loads are sorta kinda middle of the road. However, there has always been at least one .308 Win. A broad selection of powders with the correct burn rate can be used to optimize .308 Winchester velocity and accuracy. Hodgdon: CFE Pistol: 0.356" 1. . is so well balanced that almost any quality Large Rifle primer is suitable for reloads. Hodgdon H380. Custom Mossberg 500 at the Range and Live Turkey!. Is it to be a light plinking load? One for lower temps (let's say lower than 60 degrees) and one for the higher temps. All published data will show a starting load and then a "top" (min/max) load. Remember, the .308 Win. Some of the accompanying maximum loads generate pressures that exceed most (but not all) factory loads; however, they are within industry maximum average pressure guidelines. We recommend that you use published lead load data from reputable sources. A good dial caliper is handy to have for checking case lengths. Find load data for Hodgdon CFE223 propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder". I shot a lot of Sta-Ball 6.5 and it worked well beyond expectations. Starting high ensures that you know the. If Hodgdon says start at 26.0 grains? The 308 Winchester handloader has a lot of component bullets to choose from. It functioned flawlessly through my 1997 vintage Kimber 1911 using Chip McCormick magazines. Poll: Whats your number one reason for reloading? Well, of course, there are tools to deal with that, too. The powder measures very well and consistently. The best of the bunch was the Hornady 178-grain ELD-X over a charge of 44.0 grains of Hodgdon CFE 223 powder. A new Weaver Grand Slam 3-12x 42mm (1-inch main tube) variable scope was installed. It was especially convenient to have all the dies for both the 44 and the 45 on the press at the same time. 308 Winchester 190 GR HDY SUB-X Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.690" This data is intended for subsonic use in firearms with barrel twist rates appropriate to stabilize the bullets listed.
